~ 1600м, танк был установлен?! (неподвижность)

каковы размеры? (цель)

Почему так Salbo выстрелил Тип-96A?

Именно на уровне ПТ-91, где вместо discalibrated Арамте на выходе 125 128 мм (в ...)
Это шутка с точностью. С остановкой? o.o

Leopard 2A4, как 800м*  разброс превышает 50 см автомобиль идет на ремонтный завод

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Танк остановка серия 5 выстрелов

Ok,

1) Im really suprised how poor was accuracy in those Type-96A.
Even If wy take "Tank Biathlon" as pure marketing and rather friendly meating then russian CAT analoqe or "Leoben cup" then int's normal that all will sent the best crews:
Russia will sent the best tanks crews, China, etc. And the tanks are preapared before biathlon.

And here sucht shame whit Type-96A?! It heaven't sense at all... IMHO tank was preapared and crew was well trained. So FCS faliture or ammo faliture. Or poor accuracy...

2) In Leopard-2A4 from stand (tank fixed) if accuracy is less then 50cm from 800m (5 shoot - one to heat barrel and 4 "normal") then tank is went to factory to rebuild.
More or less whole story remind me 2003 winter "poligon" when Germans came from they Leopard-2A5/A6 to treined us on Leo-2A4 and they cant belive that PT-91  have problem to hit on 1000m from stand (tank fixed) target whit 10m2 area :-/ it was so F****en shamefully :/ The problem whit PT-91 was in barrels - Slovakia "Konstrukta" give us in 1990's "second quality" but cheap barrels, and our stupid MOD bought this. The result was EFC under 500  and for "combat" max 120-140 shoots. In result after sevral yers barrel have not 125mm but 127...128mm(!), and this was reson so poor PT-91 accuracy.
But it doesn't change fact that Germans just laought of us -and they have good reson to do this. Now whit Leo-2A4 accuracy is almoust perfect and PT-91 got new barrels

sorry for english - somebody can translate this?

Отредактировано militarysta (2014-09-16 11:41:26)

спасибо за перевод

так

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Я написал это на другом форуме - может кто проверить правильность этой информации для 2A46M4 / 5 ??
From A.Tarasenko blog:
http://library.kpi.kharkov.ua/JUR/ITE_2011_1_Anipko_Eksperimentalnoye.pdf

and polish ones about the same:
http://www.google.pl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CGMQFjAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fyadda.icm.edu.pl%2Fbaztech%2Felement%2Fbwmeta1.element.baztech-article-PWAA-0016-0009%2Fc%2Fhttpwww_witu_mil_plwwwbiuletynzeszyty20080107p95.pdf&ei=EmAVVOe4N4rXyQO-pYHABA&usg=AFQjCNE5SkWWtP_L3eKYxo1ktSax0jrFEw&bvm=bv.75097201,d.bGQ

type of the tank / type of the gun / gun life time in combat APFSDS-T / max preassure in MPa:

Т-80У-М1 / 2А46М-4 i 2А46М-5 / 500?/ 600MPa
T-90 (Ob.188)/ 2А46М-2 / 220 / 500MPa
Т-72Б;Т-72Б(М); Т-80Б;Т-80БВ; Т-80У; T-80УД; /2А46М i 2А46М-1/ 220 / 500MPa
Т-80Б; Т-64Б  /2А46-2/ 170 /450MPa
Т-64A  /2А46-1(Д-81ТМ)/ 170 /450MPa

Leopard-2A4/ Rh120 L-44/400-600* /670MPa 
Leopard-2A5; Strv.122 / Rh120 L-44/ 400-600*/710MPa
Leopard-2A6 Rh120 L-55/ 600** /800MPa in chamber; up to 900MPa in barrel(!)
???/ Rh120 LLR L-47/ 600** /700MPa

*data for DM-33A1, trening munition up to 1400
**600 for DM-61, 200 for DM-53, 800-1400 for trening munition (SABOT/HEAT)

M1:
M1A2/ M256/ 450* /720MPa

*260 for M829A3,  360 for M929A2, 450 for M829A1, ~540 for M829

based on:

and for reference value (1500 EFC) we have value 1.0 for  M865 munition for rest sabot we have:
M829: 2.8
M829A1: 3.3
M829A2: 4.2

accoding to:
http://www.google.pl/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdtic.mil%2Fcgi-bin%2FGetTRDoc%3FAD%3DADA372760&ei=bWMVVKyBAYT_PMqYgaAE&usg=AFQjCNH9UrFRgv844GzVWg0y68MSYb7Qcw&bvm=bv.75097201,d.ZWU

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From ukrainian pdf we have some interesting informations:

1) outdated amunition 125mm APFSDS whit 20 and 25 storage years make in gun chamber preassure (MPa) bigger then normal for sucht ammo up to 1.03-1.2
So in whore case sucht ammo will couse 20% bigger MPa value in chamber :/

2) Velocity of  the propelant charge combustion in 125mm ammo older then 22 yers is bigger then normal up to 11-18% :shocked:

3) The Autors claimed that 20-25 yers old outdated ammunition (APFSDS) will cause bigger then normal barrel consumption in 20-30%(!)

да, смешной (orginal guns form manufacurer?) в России были слишком дорогими при покупке в 1994 году, Украина еще не было технологии (позже купленный GIAT Франции) и Словакия были, но либо в основном хорошо, но за цену России, или "Второе качество"
и наши идиоты купил "второй качества". Идиоты.

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